Talk:Catherine Tizard

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This coat of arms bears no resemblance to the description. SpoolWhippets (talk) 09:27, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

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Comment on arms

I've moved this to the Wikimedia page. --LJ Holden 09:12, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

What "written description above"? Where is it? AnonMoos (talk) 13:53, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

It's on the file's Wikimedia talk page --LJ Holden 21:06, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

No it isn't -- commons:File talk:Catherine Tizard Arms.svg says "more elaborate version (which much more closely matches the written description above)", but there's no such written description on that page. Where is the "written description above"?? -- AnonMoos (talk) 23:30, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I see what you mean now. The description above is the one on the page --LJ Holden 00:34, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

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You know, your reluctance or inability to provide any specific links, locations, or URL's is ever-so-slightly annoying. If you had just linked to en:Catherine Tizard#Arms, then I would have dealt with this days ago... In any case, the SVG shows the shield, while en:Catherine Tizard#Arms describes the full heraldic "achievement", of which the shield is just one part. The SVG image File:Catherine Tizard Arms.svg corresponds pretty closely with the Blazon included in the "escutcheon" sub-section of en:Catherine Tizard#Arms. The shield is the core of the achievement, and is singled out for many purposes... AnonMoos (talk) 23:18, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I think you're missing the context of what was moved. The text was a comment about the shield that should not have been in the article. --LJ Holden 01:08, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

• I'm confused about the coat of arms. The coat of arms on the governor-general's website is quite different to the image on this page, and the description of the coat of arms on this page doesn't match the image that was here. As Tizard has just passed away and there will be a lot of readers visiting this page, I've removed the image for now. Here is the image on the GG website for comparison - can anyone explain the difference? Should this image from the GG be added to Commons and to this article? TIA.

https://gg.govt.nz/image-galleries/6463/media?page=16 MurielMary (talk) 10:50, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@MurielMary: Kia ora! I've just been trying to puzzle this out, since an anon user has added the image back in. I actually think the image is correct, but it only shows the escutcheon/shield part of the coat of arms, not the full coat of arms (with the crest, supporters and compartment). Does that make sense? I think it would be a great idea to add the image from the GG website as well to Commons and the article, in order to show the full arms, but the image of the escutcheon itself is useful and clear so should be retained as well. Not sure of the best way to fit both in, though! Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 03:48, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Kia ora @Chocmilk03! Apologies for being so slow to reply to your ping! Let me take a look at your comments tomorrow and respond properly. Cheers, MM. MurielMary (talk) 12:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi there @Chocmilk03, I just thought I would add that the image from the Governor-general's website for the carved depiction of Dame Catherine Tizard's full achievement is already available on commons: [1], if you decide that you do want to include it.

And you're right that the image currently on the page just shows the escutcheon (aka "coat of arms") from these achievements, but it's quite common that this is the only part shown in these templates. --Radicuil (talk) 12:00, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I've added a note "shown at left" to clarify that the illustration is only of the escutcheon - but other editors may think this is unnecessary? Also, I note that the language used to describe the whole item is extremely antiquated to the point of being quite difficult to understand. Is it standard to use this old-English language in this context or can it be paraphrased to be more accessible? MurielMary (talk) 12:10, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, the language of blazonry, i.e. the description of coats of arms, uses its own particular jargon. I get that it's not the most accessible for the uninitiated, but I don't think it's appropriate to paraphrase the blazon itself as the terms have particular meanings. When I'm dealing with blazons I usually like to include wikilinks for at least the terms that may be unfamiliar for the average reader to try to minimise the difficulty. I can try to do that here.

Another option could be to also include a plainer language description of the blazon. The Template:Emblem table has a "symbolism" parameter that could potentially be appropriate for that, or you could include it in the Arms section outside of the template.--Radicuil (talk) Radicuil (talk) 13:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Radicuil: Thanks very much for your help (useful to have someone weigh in who has expertise in this area!), and for spotting that the image is already on Commons. And MurielMary, I think the 'shown at left' is absolutely helpful. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 02:52, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

No worries! But I'm by no means an expert, I just have a bit of an interest in the subject.--Radicuil (talk) 10:11, 14 July 2022 (UTC)